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(08-26-2019, 06:43 AM)rudra Wrote: tiwil,
really wrong assessment. There will always remain bugs and it will rather increase until and unless some kind of provably {machine provable. that will work like compilers. did you ever stop to think how the first compiler got compiled. haha. also how a lang compiler can be written in that same lang. haha. read and you will know. what fun } safe language is used. there are. but then i dont know if its widespread usage is even practical or possible. not everyone is computer scientist in dev world. A lot of people working on parts is bound to make things with bugs with our normal languages. There is tens of thousands of lines of code. millions ?

So it is always better to be opensource. Even for farmware and such. I am sure it would generate huge interest and big following.


thanks

(08-26-2019, 09:03 AM)tiwil Wrote: Yup, I know there will be remain bug in every single application that have been made. We also know how volunteer all around the world working to fix Linux-based OS.

But, we all know that in this kind of world, you also met bad people that want to harm your PC/phone. That's the point I'm talking about.

From my newbie point as a user, I think it's way faster for hacker to hack a system that's open-source than the one that's not open-source. Take a look on Wordpress, it's open source, and we see how many attack in Wordpress and Wordpress need to be updated to prevent hackers.

• How many people will buy it? Common smartphone user doesn't know what means "open source" anyway. It will be a products for a very few geek people.
  
• Thinking about the previous point, Do you think developers will port their app on this new OS? Developers don't work for free, if they can't earn any money they will not support it. We got an example from the past: Windows Mobile/Windows 10 Mobile was affected by lack of apps, the few apps that WM's user got were ported by developer with Microsoft Support behind them. 
  
• "Common smartphone user" lives with apps, if you tell someone that on this particular phone there isn't "instagram/facebook/what's app/telegram/ <any mainstream application" it will not buy it. (Please don't count as apps the web form of services such as Telegram Web).
  

• Ubuntu Touch was a project with the aim to port a Ubuntu on smartphone. It didn't live for long: abandoned by Canonical and then by UBPorts it is now faded away from our mind.
  
• Tizen, born as a smartphone open source OS, currently used only on Smart TV or SmartWatches with very few app available (read the list of disadvantages up there.)
  
• PostmartketOS, it was good project, but currently we don't know how it will end: started as a smartphone OS replacement currently it is a geek linux distro for smartphone that doesn't support any smartphone features.
  
• Sailfish OS, currently the most "usable on daily device" project but still lacks on apps. IT can emulate and run Android apps it doesn't work every time. Don't except to run on it games or heavy apps. What did I forget? Well, It owned by Jolla and the last phone shipped with this OS was on 2016. There are also VERY FEW smartphone supported and almost every planned device is now a ghost.
  

• The "new" Huawei OS called HongMeng that was like "hidden weapon" of the OEM it is still an alpha stage for smartphone usage. HongMeng was developed as a TV OS and as a "chinese-market" OS, so they weren't developing any Android emulating for apps because almost every app was intended for chinese people. Huawei is not ready to use it as an Android replacement, in fact on few articles Huawei CEO stated that HongMeng will land of smartphone ONLY if US block will be actived.
  
• Pinephone is like PureOS/SailFishOS. I don't know how it will end but it is another project in development.
  

(08-26-2019, 06:43 AM)rudra Wrote: @deanhills
i am following their progress for a while now. They aim to make it all transparent and open. But did you check their prices ? I can't even think of touching one. Ouch.

(08-26-2019, 06:43 AM)rudra Wrote: That company is engaged in reverse engineering those closed systems and writing code that functions same way. to avoid lawsuits. That is very costly. Also it will neither keep up with latest developments in hardware nor with software/firmware patches.

I just wish a company made a line of hardwares totally open. But the unfortunate reality is the huge amount of intellectual property / patents is owned by a few big chip makers. you can count them on one hand. they are behemoths and behemoths hardly ever brought on disruptive tech. Our only hope is someone like elon mask comes along and does that. like hugo bara did by setting up xiaomi for affordable electronics market.