[rudra]

well @Rehan . I would like to say that I see where I went wrong in my previous post. So you getting upset with those comments are totally on me. I am sorry to have hurt your feelings.. I really am ! I have nothing against common people of any country or religion.

With that out of the way, let me try to point out some things rationally.

1) How do we know who is the aggressor and who is the defender in these situations ?

Here in India, we always keep hearing through every media outlet that it is Pakistan army attacking our border force unprovoked while terrorists were trying to enter somewhere else. Like a distraction. even those newspapers that support the opposition and never lose an opportunity to show the ruling party in bad light. So that kind of makes us believe it. Also it is not like Indian army invited Pakistan army inside our border during kargil war so they could have a war game and die in thousands.

Now I can guess that this happens there in Pakistan and China too. So how are you , me or a common Chinese person to know what's the reality.

2) Pakistan and China have every reason to be the aggressor.

for Pakistan, it is the appeasement of the army which is the real power there and the extremists who run it. Also this is a victim card for Pakistan to put aside big part of national budget and ask for more money and aid from their allies. Religion and national enemy are two great weapons used by bad rulers who dont want to do much for the ruled and want to keep them distracted. (same thing happening in india now too).

for China, they want to expand and secure the new trade routes they are building and ensure their own great future and want to leave no weak points or pressure points. China is doing this salami slicing two-step-forward-one-step-back with every neighbour.

So I think apart from blind faith and nationalism, you dont have much to go on to logically support that ' India an aggressor ' claim.
India is too divided in internal political strife and all encompassing corruption to settle on a fixed foreign policy and keep working on that.

Also I can totally assure you that if all the Pakistan army at Indo-Pak border left their posts and went home, India won't move ahead one step.

Proof: I have two.

(a) India stopped their army from occupying all of the Kashmir when it decided to join India and Pakistan sent its army to occupy it by force. That is the Pak occupied Kashmir.

(b) India could have used the pretext of Kargil war to rectify that error in judgement, but it didn't.

see, these kind of errors are only commited by peaceful peace-loving entities. Not war mongering ones that want own gain at any cost.

also to remind everyone, India has more Muslims in number than couple of Pakistan put together. so Muslim majority areas should be in Pakistan is a bad argument.

Here I would like to end this with a request...

we have no way to reliably know what the politicians are doing. So it is better not to hurt each other. let us not fight over these. I am stopping here and if you guys want, I will edit out those parts from my posts.
I don't want to fight, verbally or otherwise and i don't enjoy hurting , myself or others. So let us stop it here.