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Why aren't Governments putting a stop to the overpopulation of the world?
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This is difficult for me to understand as I don't see anything about this in the popular press, or am I missing it? Why aren't Governments putting a stop to the overpopulation of the world? Like how many babies are brought into the world every day that there aren't any resources for and parents don't have the means to take care of them? In certain cases not even food or shelter? Yet they are allowed to be born? Why are people crying so much about poor families with six small children in a boat from France to the UK? Why did those six small children come into being? Were they created so the parents can get on a small boat and be treated with more sympathy?

Shouldn't there be some rules and regulations before someone is allowed to become pregnant? Like show proof of being able to take care of the child first. Maybe a requirement to register with an authority after a contract of marriage or a contract of some sort has been established as showing the couple or person fit to take care of children. Then apply for a license to have X number of children with proof of ability to take care of them. And maybe a reporting system afterwards in which the license has to be renewed after every so many years.

Like how many homeless children are there in the world? And the source of the problem is never really attended to.

Like everything is based on greed and corruption. The more people that countries can get the more demand for products, the more taxes in overall, the richer the rich. But still, why are the Governments not making an issue of it? Isn't that the easier way of trying to control the environmental crisis?
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Ok.. very good topic ... I will try to share observations , in separate points..

1) There are more than enough food items produced per year to sustain more people than we have worldwide [ i think the calculation was 1.5 times..dont remember..but substantially higher ].. it is a matter of efficient distribution and politics and ...

2) One past Prime Minister in India tried to enforce that birth control to some extent. I think she got killed for it... her or her party and governments handled it. Like forcing a certain class of people more , forcefully doing operations to disable people etc. That is a dark period that even their own party members deny now and carefully hide.
You cant even get 5 people people in a house agree to all the decisions taken during a day.

think China might have successfully done it. But then they are a case of extreme human rights abuse when you go out of party line. Individuality is not well tolerated and when you dont do that, you dont get creativity of the top order.

So what I understood from the above two points is this..

1) you need people who are as educated and efficient as CEOs , if not more, to run a country. while working together with economists and other relevant field experts to provide input in relevant fields and also work together when it takes interdisciplinary approach which is most of the time when you run a country.
A CEO of a country should not have to pander to common people for votes, he should be bound by some target or measure of performance or something.

2) The breed of politicians ( and also the HR department in companies) should not only be abolished, but wiped out. They are a scourge. worst kind of people who are always working to rule and keep their rule on you. divide and rule or whatever.

Just watch the troupa de elite film 2, referenced by HR. Awesome example of how things work in those levels.

Now A target should be effective education and education of every single person... Then There should not be advertisements for products. Just expert analysis of policy options and then put it to vote online to those who understand it. Use automated systems to conduct exams every year to certify people fit to vote on certain matters.
If you want to vote on a policy choice then you should have permit on that category. After the result of a vote is out, there should be a period for applications to change augment oppose etc. Then you the CEO implements it and all records should be available online in real time.

No electing representatives every few years or no working behind the doors or what ever. Also no eqal power of vote on everything for everyone. I know nothing about going to moon or nuclear power plants ... so i should not shout for / against it or be able to decide policy on it.

I guess only defence related research and work should be behind closed doors and the expenses hidden and an alternative approach devised for that.

Then you wont have morons in the top seat or wont have this kind of effect.

I think this kind of approach could solve all the problems. But it should start in rich affluent countries where there are smaller no of skinheads, rednecks and fools.

Politics should be banned first and no small band of people should have so much power on so much resources.
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@rudra  You're right about the unequal distribution of resources.  I read in the newspaper yesterday that every one looks with appreciation to guys like Gates who seems to be contributing so generously to special causes (probably gets the press to make a big deal about it for him too through his highly paid publicity agents), HOWEVER, no one says how his greediness resulted in his riches and how very little his charity contributions are as a percentage of his total wealth.  That contribution is only approximately .01% of his riches and then he probably gets special tax considerations for the donation as well.  Ditto all of those famous movie actors and actresses and big tycoons who are earning billions of dollars with plenty of tax concessions.  Here are some reports about it in the Washington Post looking at their contributions to the Covid Relief:

The pandemic is testing the generosity of billionaires, according to a Washington Post survey of the 50 richest Americans

Washington Post Wrote:The relative stinginess of some of America’s wealthiest, to their critics, is particularly outrageous because the financial devastation of the pandemic, so far, appears to have spared many of them. From March through May, the fortunes of America’s billionaires grew by more than $430 billion, according to a report released by the Institute for Policy Studies, a liberal think tank that argues for expanded taxes for corporations and the wealthy.

I agree with you that you need educated people to make educated population control decisions as well as responsible government leaders, which for the most the world doesn't have.  That's probably why Governments aren't touching on the subject.  Government leaders wouldn't be able to get voted into their cushy jobs and keep their jobs so usually cozy up to the rich and keep them rich that way.  Sort of makes this a bit of a hopeless situation though doesn't it?  Like everything is doomed by corruption and greed and there is no leadership or Government leaders who are brave enough to tackle the over population issue head on.
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This is a different and a good topic!
I'm gonna add some of my points here. This might include some straight-forward lines, No offense to anyone at all!
1. In my country for suppose, It's not a saying or i dont know what should i call it, If you get married for instance and you are struggling to keep up your financial issue or other issues like family problems, It is said to make a baby that will bring happiness and peace, I'm not actually denying the point, The point is the people don't think before that how they are gonna take care of them, their future, Studies etc etc. They will be like it will take time but it will be managed but sometimes things does not work as intended they think. Indeed for some family issues and all a baby in the family does change the enviroment no doubt, But nobody gives a damn about the future and i can say this happens in 50% of the cases.

2. I like your idea of that there should be rules and regulation before someone getting pregnant and all, I had a friend who shifted to USA for a while and came back to meet and all, I met him we were talking and he said one thing to me, Making a baby is more easier than getting a bottle of beer. So actually it makes sense though! The goverment here actually does not really care about the country though. I don't even think the our Goverment would have mentioned Overpopulation, Literally in 50 years we can't even know overpopulation could lead to many circumstances like food-shortage and literally alot of things like Decreased Resources too.
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There is another side to this whole thing. Slowly the world is having a bigger senior population and a smaller workforce. This has slowly started affecting many countries including China. At the current rate population of China will be at 0.8 billion by 2100, after reaching a peak of 1.4 billion by 2030. This is due to what's called fertility level and replacement level. That's why they are changing the law from one-child policy to a two-child policy. Because they slowly moving to a point where there is a big aging population that needs more social benefits and ever-decreasing workforce which has to pay for that.

This already happening in many countries which had a population boom after world war two in the 50s and 60s. I read about 82 countries are experiencing fertility rates below the replacement level of about two births per woman. It might look great short term but would have some serious consequences long term. So many other countries have started already encouraging the birth rates.

Funny thing is immigration also helps lower the birthrate in a strange way. In the last couple of years, more than 1 million people have moved to European countries from countries like Afganistan, Siriya, etc. These people would have big families in their mother countries but once in the west, they are forced to have smaller families because of the cost of living.

I guess there is a natural mechanism that controls the population of all creatures on earth. As for humans every time there is a rise in population something destructive happens like a plague or big war. This has happened throughout history from the times of begin.
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#6
Actually, the overpopulation problem occurs in poor countries. Birth rate trends to get lower in rich countries.

That is related to the much higher costs for proper growth of kids in rich countries.

So, the best way to put a stop to the overpopulation of the world should be to help all the poor counties develop their economies first. Smile


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In my humble opinion, It's a really difficult task to stop overpopulation without imposing strict rules(like China). I come from Pakistan which ranks 5th in World's population despite being a poor country. Here Its very common for a family to have 4-5 kids and my grand parents were all at-least 15-20 siblings. To control overpopulation you also need to educate your youth on why Its harmful for the country and the planet however the vast majority of people here in Pakistan come from Agricultural backgrounds meaning they are not educated enough to understand such concerns.

E.g. contraceptives aren't exactly common here in the villages so Its not surprising we are at 5th xD The gov has tried to step in this regard however no proper growth has been seen as of yet. However I'd say people are now more aware of this issue compared to 30-40 years ago, like I said, my grandparents were atleast 15-20 siblings, now anything above 5-6 is unusual.
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(08-09-2020, 01:16 PM)deanhills Wrote:  This is difficult for me to understand as I don't see anything about this in the popular press, or am I missing it?  Why aren't Governments putting a stop to the overpopulation of the world?  Like how many babies are brought into the world every day that there aren't any resources for and parents don't have the means to take care of them?  In certain cases not even food or shelter?  Yet they are allowed to be born?  Why are people crying so much about poor families with six small children in a boat from France to the UK?  Why did those six small children come into being?  Were they created so the parents can get on a small boat and be treated with more sympathy?

Shouldn't there be some rules and regulations before someone is allowed to become pregnant?  Like show proof of being able to take care of the child first.  Maybe a requirement to register with an authority after a contract of marriage or a contract of some sort has been established as showing the couple or person fit to take care of children.  Then apply for a license to have X number of children with proof of ability to take care of them.  And maybe a reporting system afterwards in which the license has to be renewed after every so many years.

Like how many homeless children are there in the world?  And the source of the problem is never really attended to.  

Like everything is based on greed and corruption.  The more people that countries can get the more demand for products, the more taxes in overall, the richer the rich.  But still, why are the Governments not making an issue of it?  Isn't that the easier way of trying to control the environmental crisis?

This is quite a difficult topic considering that different governments utilize different policies, and the fact that there are so many factors contributing towards this problem.

Some governments/counties have actually put in policies towards this. Take China as an example, they have the one child policy (not 100% sure if it’s still being implemented today) such that a couple is only legally allowed to have one child. Those who cooperate and follow this policy get perks from the government such as healthcare, education, etc for their child.

Those who disobey are either fined, or even worse forced to be sterilized (to anyone not knowing what that is, it’s a procedure by which it makes the person unable to have children anymore).

Now comes the question, why aren’t all governments implementing a similar policy where they restrict how many children a couple is allowed to have?

The answer to that is quite hard... many countries aren’t facing any issues with overpopulation, some are easily able to support a population much larger than what they currently have. So a policy like this isn’t quite necessary.

And to be honest, this issue can be mostly solved by educating people rather than implementing government policies.
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Its a not funny topic you choosen government is not responsibility of our population its all depend on between couples they had to take restriction on how many children they need I see some country's made restriction of only 1-2 childern allowed in a family same like this every country need to make restrict about there population
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