[Kururin]

I feel like this thread will be a derailment, since over the years of my life I have observed no matter what you throw at people who believe -- they will continue to do that. There's no point arguing or having a constructive discussion they will be ready to disapprove your claims no matter what. Personally I am Agnostic, I am amazed by the universe's complexity but I do not try to justify it -- as to show if there's something out there controlling it. Either way, I feel like its going to be an never ending discussion which would have both at each other's throat. I do not find that tasteful.