03-28-2020, 08:09 PM
After reading the above posts by dean and soham, i have so much to comment on now that i dont even know where to start.
1) naming it 'China virus'
it can't get any more ridiculus than this... seriously !!
Some people saying that some rich Chinese person has caused this in his reckless search for exotic food items.
Some saying It is a Chinese ploy for world domination ( now they have it under control there and started to resume normal work and industry. the world is and will keep reeling in its effect for a long time. long enough for them to invade even deeper and weaken the roots of local industries around the world by grabbing the demand.)
Some say it was spread by USA to destabilise Chinese economy, cause with every passing day, it is getting more difficult for them to survive Chinese onslaught in every sphere of influence internationally. Bur as with most of their covert foreign actions, it backfired.
I am not saying that any of these are totally impossible. I am just saying that probably you will never know, short of a leak on wikileaks or something like that. But even after so many leaks, how much do you think the workings of governments have changed... unless for worse. with increasing nationalism and racism, which are nothing but slow but sure poisons for human society.
Also China is already ruling a big part of the world and gaining even wider foothold at a rapid speed. They have done it with a lot of hard work and they have that kind of society and culture that goes with it. No need to mess things up like this intentionally by themselves, is there ? USA theory may have more water, cause they have proven track records.
Some says it might be from pangolin and some , bats. so i didn't read anything that confirms the nonhuman source. But whatever it is, I don't see how it could be the responsibility of China. Look how USA and many other countries responded at government levels.
2) Even flu virus keeps evolving and sharpening its bite. there is an interval of like 40 year or so between the waves of severe forms of flu epidemic. Also there are many modern pathogens which were not here in our remote past. This is a battle that is going to be waged forever. That is how nature works.
You will have to remember that raising a kid or living for long in a sterile environment free of germs is highly damaging for us. This continual struggle trains our immune system. But alas there is no stronger immune system. Just agile ( when you are young ) vs experienced ( of some fights with pathogens ). In this corona case , as it is novel ( we never met before ), experience is of little use, agility or high adaptability of our immune cells is. Thats why kids are much safer.
3) we humans dont even have the power to predict protein folding for even slightly complex molecules of them. How do you think a country will be able to tailor made such a finely balanced virus...one that kills a small percentage and spreads fast and remains in host with little symptoms for long but keeps spreading even in that stage
we humans try to make severe strains that we will be able to send to an enemy country and make it literally unravel fast. like chemical warfare. but the good side of those are they wipe their infected in such high percent that spreading becomes an issue.
4) hydroxychloroquine and other quinine forms and azithromycin for Corona treatment.
Most are dying from corona due to a severe immune response of our body. inflammatory response. it is what happens when you get punched on your face and it gets swollen. That lung is being punched by the virus and your body makes it swollen so it can fight and repair better and easier. But that process becomes unregulated and extreme and that is when you die (literally get killed by your own army). Cytokine storm is the term i think.
So many of the treatments docs are trying is aling this line. to block Cytokine / keep immune response in check. This combination does that and also makes it difficult for the virus to enter host cells. so yes it works in many cases. BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO NOTE THAT -- It should only be administered by alert, informed and experienced medical personnel. They need to keep monitoring your QT interval on ECG. that is one of its side effects and when you are already weak from this illness, it might just raise your pulse rate so high that you will die of heart failure. So please don't self-administer.
5) Some antiviral drugs are being tried too. hope one of them will be effective and safe enough.
6) India has relatively low number of patients now. Multiple reasons have been forwarded...i will reiterate some...
summer weather might be helping.
it is one of the less dangerous strains of this corona virus.
insufficient testing and reporting. They are only testing people who went abroad recently or came in contact with one who did or became a patient. Not all patients with flu / fever / respiratory problem like syndromes. ( just check the stats website. severe patients no always at 0. are we even less transparent than china. lol)
I have a theory too...hehehe.... it is like sowing 1 kg paddy vs 100kg. the countries at the top received more incoming carriers/hosts/possible patients than we did. it is that simple.
7) Social distancing --
in a democratic country with such huge and varied population, it could never be a deterrent and NO, ,it is not going to be. But there is no other way. If they allow normal life....the increase in no of patients will be so high and rapid that our health system will be just obliterated.
Just look at what New York is doing. they are also increasing the capacity of health system very rapidly. unfortunately we are not. we are mostly announcing financial aids and committees so far.
I just hope our huge poor population dont get even weaker before they face this. If they do then that number of total deaths will be much much worse than what they predicted if we allowed normal life to continue.
RE. I must be a fool. none will read this babble.
RE. Your dog suddenly ran towards me and bit on my leg. I dont see how it can be your fault unless you trained and asked it to do so. it might be criminal negligence. But look at your own respective governments and their long track records of neglecting their own....
1) naming it 'China virus'
it can't get any more ridiculus than this... seriously !!
Some people saying that some rich Chinese person has caused this in his reckless search for exotic food items.
Some saying It is a Chinese ploy for world domination ( now they have it under control there and started to resume normal work and industry. the world is and will keep reeling in its effect for a long time. long enough for them to invade even deeper and weaken the roots of local industries around the world by grabbing the demand.)
Some say it was spread by USA to destabilise Chinese economy, cause with every passing day, it is getting more difficult for them to survive Chinese onslaught in every sphere of influence internationally. Bur as with most of their covert foreign actions, it backfired.
I am not saying that any of these are totally impossible. I am just saying that probably you will never know, short of a leak on wikileaks or something like that. But even after so many leaks, how much do you think the workings of governments have changed... unless for worse. with increasing nationalism and racism, which are nothing but slow but sure poisons for human society.
Also China is already ruling a big part of the world and gaining even wider foothold at a rapid speed. They have done it with a lot of hard work and they have that kind of society and culture that goes with it. No need to mess things up like this intentionally by themselves, is there ? USA theory may have more water, cause they have proven track records.
Some says it might be from pangolin and some , bats. so i didn't read anything that confirms the nonhuman source. But whatever it is, I don't see how it could be the responsibility of China. Look how USA and many other countries responded at government levels.
2) Even flu virus keeps evolving and sharpening its bite. there is an interval of like 40 year or so between the waves of severe forms of flu epidemic. Also there are many modern pathogens which were not here in our remote past. This is a battle that is going to be waged forever. That is how nature works.
You will have to remember that raising a kid or living for long in a sterile environment free of germs is highly damaging for us. This continual struggle trains our immune system. But alas there is no stronger immune system. Just agile ( when you are young ) vs experienced ( of some fights with pathogens ). In this corona case , as it is novel ( we never met before ), experience is of little use, agility or high adaptability of our immune cells is. Thats why kids are much safer.
3) we humans dont even have the power to predict protein folding for even slightly complex molecules of them. How do you think a country will be able to tailor made such a finely balanced virus...one that kills a small percentage and spreads fast and remains in host with little symptoms for long but keeps spreading even in that stage
we humans try to make severe strains that we will be able to send to an enemy country and make it literally unravel fast. like chemical warfare. but the good side of those are they wipe their infected in such high percent that spreading becomes an issue.
4) hydroxychloroquine and other quinine forms and azithromycin for Corona treatment.
Most are dying from corona due to a severe immune response of our body. inflammatory response. it is what happens when you get punched on your face and it gets swollen. That lung is being punched by the virus and your body makes it swollen so it can fight and repair better and easier. But that process becomes unregulated and extreme and that is when you die (literally get killed by your own army). Cytokine storm is the term i think.
So many of the treatments docs are trying is aling this line. to block Cytokine / keep immune response in check. This combination does that and also makes it difficult for the virus to enter host cells. so yes it works in many cases. BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO NOTE THAT -- It should only be administered by alert, informed and experienced medical personnel. They need to keep monitoring your QT interval on ECG. that is one of its side effects and when you are already weak from this illness, it might just raise your pulse rate so high that you will die of heart failure. So please don't self-administer.
5) Some antiviral drugs are being tried too. hope one of them will be effective and safe enough.
6) India has relatively low number of patients now. Multiple reasons have been forwarded...i will reiterate some...
summer weather might be helping.
it is one of the less dangerous strains of this corona virus.
insufficient testing and reporting. They are only testing people who went abroad recently or came in contact with one who did or became a patient. Not all patients with flu / fever / respiratory problem like syndromes. ( just check the stats website. severe patients no always at 0. are we even less transparent than china. lol)
I have a theory too...hehehe.... it is like sowing 1 kg paddy vs 100kg. the countries at the top received more incoming carriers/hosts/possible patients than we did. it is that simple.
7) Social distancing --
in a democratic country with such huge and varied population, it could never be a deterrent and NO, ,it is not going to be. But there is no other way. If they allow normal life....the increase in no of patients will be so high and rapid that our health system will be just obliterated.
Just look at what New York is doing. they are also increasing the capacity of health system very rapidly. unfortunately we are not. we are mostly announcing financial aids and committees so far.
I just hope our huge poor population dont get even weaker before they face this. If they do then that number of total deaths will be much much worse than what they predicted if we allowed normal life to continue.
RE. I must be a fool. none will read this babble.
RE. Your dog suddenly ran towards me and bit on my leg. I dont see how it can be your fault unless you trained and asked it to do so. it might be criminal negligence. But look at your own respective governments and their long track records of neglecting their own....
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