[deanhills]

After reading the above posts by dean and soham, i have so much to comment on now that i dont even know where to start.

1) naming it 'China virus'

it can't get any more ridiculus than this... seriously !!

Conspiracy theories notwithstanding. But the outbreak of the Corona Virus did originate in China didn't it?  All of us in the world know the outbreak started in Hunan Province.  So for me it's a China virus (it started in China).  But OK, we now call it Corona virus.

But yes, having bat soup and using parts of wild animals that are known to cause viruses - didn't they learn their lessons from SARS?   So it's not as though people didn't know there is the potential for viruses to develop in food markets where wild animals are kept in less than hygienic circumstances.  So why continue the practice of mixing wild animal in food markets when it is known to be able to cause serious health issues?  

2) Even flu virus keeps evolving and sharpening its bite. there is an interval of like 40 year or so between the waves of severe forms of flu epidemic. Also there are many modern pathogens which were not here in our remote past. This is a battle that is going to be waged forever. That is how nature works.

Somehow I think this Corona Virus is much bigger than the flu virus.  It is much more contagious and much more aggressive.  I don't know whether I can compare the two.  Someone said this may be the first "edition" of Corona.  Like it's here to stay with us.  So I guess we're never going to get rid of it.  Getting a vaccine for it will be a necessity for survival.  You know I'm getting back to conspiracy theory again.  Maybe there was a rich tycoon or club that is going to make loads of money from this vaccine, that is probably going to be as compulsory to take by every individual.

3) we humans dont even have the power to predict protein folding for even slightly complex molecules of them. How do you think a country will be able to tailor made such a finely balanced virus...one that kills a small percentage and spreads fast and remains in host with little symptoms for long but keeps spreading even in that stage

we humans try to make severe strains that we will be able to send to an enemy country and make it literally unravel fast. like chemical warfare. but the good side of those are they wipe their infected in such high percent that spreading becomes an issue.

Anything is possible @rudra.  Like even a very wealthy nut who wants to get the environment to be revitalized and get rid of old people.  Reduce the number of the overpopulation and get rid of the pollution.  Apparently Beijing doesn't have as much smog as it had before the Corona Virus started.

4) hydroxychloroquine and other quinine forms and azithromycin for Corona treatment.

Most are dying from corona due to a severe immune response of our body. inflammatory response. it is what happens when you get punched on your face and it gets swollen. That lung is being punched by the virus and your body makes it swollen so it can fight and repair better and easier. But that process becomes unregulated and extreme and that is when you die (literally get killed by your own army). Cytokine storm is the term i think.

So many of the treatments docs are trying is aling this line. to block Cytokine / keep immune response in check. This combination does that and also makes it difficult for the virus to enter host cells. so yes it works in many cases. BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO NOTE THAT -- It should only be administered by alert, informed and experienced medical personnel. They need to keep monitoring your QT interval on ECG. that is one of its side effects and when you are already weak from this illness, it might just raise your pulse rate so high that you will die of heart failure. So please don't self-administer.

Problem is there aren't enough ventilators to keep lungs going while they are being treated.  So I guess doctors now have to make decisions about who get ventilators and who don't get ventilators.  Before you can get a ventilator you have to get tested first.  So you get people who are almost half dying when they get to be tested, and die before the results of the test are available.  Like that's the difference between successful treatment of patients.  The resources that are available and really good management of those.  Some countries weren't prepared for a public health emergency like this as they were simply not investing in it.  The United States is one of those countries.  I suspect Italy, France, Spain, and Iran also.  Probably going to happen here in South Africa too.  

6) India has relatively low number of patients now. Multiple reasons have been forwarded...i will reiterate some...

summer weather might be helping.

it is one of the less dangerous strains of this corona virus.

insufficient testing and reporting. They are only testing people who went abroad recently  or came in contact with one who did or became a patient. Not all patients with flu / fever / respiratory  problem like syndromes. ( just check the stats website. severe patients no always at 0. are we even less transparent than china. lol)

I have a theory too...hehehe.... it is like sowing 1 kg paddy vs 100kg. the countries at the top received more incoming carriers/hosts/possible patients than we did. it is that simple.

I agree with possibility of insufficient testing and reporting.  However, India is quite focused on good treatment.

7) Social distancing --

in a democratic country with such huge and varied population, it could never be a deterrent and NO, ,it is not going to be. But there is no other way. If they allow normal life....the increase in no of patients will be so high and rapid that our health system will be just obliterated.
Just look at what  New York is doing. they are also increasing the capacity of health system very rapidly. unfortunately we are not. we are mostly announcing financial aids and committees so far.
I just hope our huge poor population dont get even weaker before they face this. If they do then that number of total deaths will be much much worse than what they predicted  if we allowed normal life to continue.

Problem is in democratic countries you find people who always think they know better than the advice that is given to them.  Apparently people in the UK and the US are not really listening to the social distancing advice.  They're not aware of the fact that even if they don't display symptoms, they can be positive for the virus and be able to transmit it to others.  Most people in cities live very selfish lives too.  They live disassociated lives where it's the survival of the fittest and don't care.  But I guess once people around you start dying, then maybe they will eventually listen to advice.

RE. I must be a fool. none will read this babble.

Haha .... gotcha!  

RE. Your dog suddenly ran towards me and bit on my leg. I dont see how it can be your fault unless you trained and asked it to do so. it might be criminal negligence. But look at your own respective governments and their long track records of neglecting their own....

Not a bad analogy, unless you can prove that that dog was infected on purpose.  I'm still open for a really good conspiracy theory.  Like when I wake up in the morning it feels almost as though I'm living in one of those movies.

I'd like to add a further point.  Like have you considered all of the freedom of movement and other freedoms we're in the process of losing through all of the additional surveillance that Governments have installed to combat this virus?  Do you think they will get rid of those draconian power vehicles that came from state of emergency announcements once the virus is under control?  Like maybe we're heading for losing plenty of our freedom in the process?