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Robotics - The Future Shaper or Destroyer?
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(10-08-2019, 09:45 AM)deanhills Wrote:  @Manal  Not all people are as lucky as you and I are to cope with a world of automation as best as we can.  The majority of people are suffering with the very basics that many of us are taking for granted.  Food to eat, and a roof over the head.  It's a dog eat dog world out there with the only rule being survival of the fittest.  Yes, of course we all need to adapt or die.  But there are some of us who care about those who aren't in the same league and aren't as privileged as we have been to have access to education and ability to learn how to cope with robotics.  

I'd say the majority of the world is fighting to get a job so they can feed the many mouths around them.  That majority has either no access or very poor access to basic education.  A much smaller minority are lucky in that they got some education basics to tool them up for the world of automation and robotics.  They seem to be all congregating in the big cities of the world, which are bursting at its seams and where people are competing with one another to get into those few jobs that are available, or to provide services from their own companies in competition with other companies.  And of course because of less jobs and tougher competition for jobs, you find more people falling out of the system, getting crazy in the head, or ending up on the pavements of those large cities - being just the right kind too to vent their anger during strikes and what not - i.e. adding to the instability, lawlessness and ultimately disease.

I totally understand. Instead of being "overly" generous, try to help a little. Like you close ones first. Learn AI, get deeper and you'll find yourself on the safe side. With what you'll be earning(since earning in AI would be a fortune due to less competition initially), you'll be helping the needy ones with your ability. If you protest against bots taking over your jobs, no one is gonna listen since corporates would find bots much more efficient than that of people whom they have to pay while bots sucking up just voltage which would mostly be in the form of solar.

Now if you really want to be generous, learn AI and get into corporate. Once you get into corporate, work hard and get your company into tech giants. Now employ people Smile. By employing, you're helping them. Keep up the good work and as you progress, you'll discover more ways how you can help people.

I totally understand that not everybody will get into this but "Survival of the fittest, elimination of the weak, start fighting, or you'll be thrown out of your fleet" where the fleet stands for success/progress. I know it's lame but I wrote it.

I wish the world would be as simple as it is shown in movies.
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Sorry for the late reply y'all. I've been extremely busy the past few days and it was difficult even to spare 15 minutes to reply back.

(10-07-2019, 12:17 PM)Manal Wrote:  I'm sorry but she looks horrible and I don't know why are kids not scared yet seeing her.
Indeed and that's what first caught my attention... Probably because they're class 8 students, they're tolerating. If the experimentation would've been done with a class 5 kid, the next day no one would have come to school. Wink

(10-07-2019, 01:33 PM)chanalku91 Wrote:  We don't know what will happen to the future!
Robots with artificial intelligence are the worst thing for the future!
Because they could be programmed to destroy the world!
True they are. Not only do they possess a great threat but also as I'd mentioned they could even take control of the world if humans become too much dependant on robots. For every little thing, it's not necessary we make use of robots, I mean we've stopped doing the other works ourselves. For example, the other day I saw in newspaper, an A.I. based automatic cooking hand, had been made which could start cooking using remote instructions and it could cook over 25 items! Are we do busy these days that we can't even cook? Can we not rest the phone for an hour, taking a break from Facebook and WhatsApp and cook a meal? I certainly feel the events that are following will ultimately lead to transfer of power from humans to bots, if some intelligent decision is not taken immediately.

(10-07-2019, 04:18 PM)deanhills Wrote:  I'm worried about the growing population and the ability to educate, train and employ them. The more robots that are around, the less jobs there are around. Take the finance industry for example that wants to force every one to do banking on their phones, whether they're able to do so or not. So they can get rid of live banking. Less clerical jobs. Old people who are vulnerable because they can't work well with phones or auto tellers. Like this whole robotic thing can be both good, but if not checked properly dehumanize people.

@sohamb03 hope that one day when you become an employer you'll always think as you do today and don't get divorced from society like the current members of boards of banking institutions have become. Their workers are almost treated like robots without being robots, and they're investing maximum technology to robotosize their banks.
I'll @deanhills, and in fact I'm completely against the concept of complete automation. This is very irritating. You are just depriving humans of their jobs, their right to earn, have a shelter and afford the basic amenities, and then you go about the world spreading messages of humanity. Which form of humanity are you then practising? For instance, our Prime Minister insists on people doing online transactions and going cashless, and when people complain of dearth of jobs, he says there aren't enough companies in India to employ all the millions. Thus basically you're causing companies to shut down or lower employees using automation and then you're spreading messages of humanity and brotherhood! What the heck?

(10-08-2019, 12:51 PM)fitkoh Wrote:  Robots have an amazing capacity to lessen the workload of people. Decreasing jobs and feeding people are not something I worry too much about - the jobs lost to robots I believe will open up more opportunities in different areas, mostly creative jobs: writing, photography, music, etc.

I also believe robots made for farming should increase the food production of the planet and feed more people.

What concerns me is that robots have certain weaknesses: namely a limited ability to adapt. Their dependence on electricity could also a major downfall.

As food production grows more homogenized, with more farms producing the same types of food, we become vulnerable to disaster. Evolution could greet us with a fungus or insect that feeds heavily on corn and rice for example, and the robot farmers that only know how to grow one thing one way may not be able to overcome. A massive solar flare, like the one that knocked out the world's electrical grid in the 1800s could wipe the disc of every computer on the planet and be catastrophic to our modern dependence on robots.

I believe the solution lies in simpler methods that kept people alive in ancient times. Every school might want a gardening class, or educate students on foraging in the wild. Local farms could return to a variety of foods grown rather than a single crop, and begin restoring the diversity we had 200 years ago. Homes subject to cold environments might include a wood stove or fireplace.

I see no problems with a robotic workforce as long as systems are in place to protect us against robotic failure and human dependence.
I don't think I need to say anything else to justify my idea. I'm not against a robotic workforce, I'm against a complete robotic workforce. You can't replace humans in every sphere of your life and employ robots there. As I'd said earlier they're good slaves, but bad masters. You can't think of A.I. replacing human intelligence cuz remember, these multipurpose, powered by A.I., blah blah blah blah, and you list ten other features, remember ultimately the human mind integrated them into one piece, it's human intelligence that made them from scratch.

(10-08-2019, 05:16 PM)kbartek Wrote:  Replacing humans with robots is DEFINITELY bad. If robots make boring stuff that even a dog could do, then it's good. So, it's important what kind of robots are you talking about. Robots that make mundane tasks = good, robots that replace humans in some complicated task that humans would ALWAYS be better at = bad. Of course, humans make robots, so I think they wouldn't be so stupid to make something that makes their life harder...

Well... humanity developed nuclear weapons and used it against themselves... So I guess it's not that far off! XD
True and they shouldn't. Well not dogs for that matter, robots can do much better tasks than a dog, but a million times lower than what human intelligence can.

(10-09-2019, 05:02 AM)tryp4vps Wrote:  Robots has already been taking over some jobs in the world. Let's face it. This technology trend cannot be stopped.

You may not like this happen, as it will kill many low-skill jobs, but unavoidably this is our future.
If your trying to accept anything and everything that comes your way, then what difference do you make. Gandhiji said, "Be the change you wanna see in the world". TBH you don't need anyone to say that to make your understand. There are some things which we imbibe gradually. No one needs to teach us that. Similarly, we should try to be a change, cuz remember it will have a direct consequence on our life and our children too, who'll form the future generation. It's definitely avoidable, but these low-skill jobs employ the most percentage of the mass.

(10-11-2019, 04:40 AM)Manal Wrote:  I wish the world would be as simple as it is shown in movies.
I too wish it was so, but definitely the crap shown the movie and real life is completely non-comparable, not even hear the mark of basic comparison. It's your hard work which earn you success in your life, miracles don't come that easy as it is shown in the movies. Yeah, if you're hardworking, miracles will definitely happen in your life. But the movies which portray miracles in anyone and everyone's life, are describing one in a million, just like comparing the number of movies to the number of people in the world. Smile
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(10-11-2019, 09:45 AM)sohamb03 Wrote:  If your trying to accept anything and everything that comes your way, then what difference do you make. Gandhiji said, "Be the change you wanna see in the world". TBH you don't need anyone to say that to make your understand. There are some things which we imbibe gradually. No one needs to teach us that. Similarly, we should try to be a change, cuz remember it will have a direct consequence on our life and our children too, who'll form the future generation. It's definitely avoidable, but these low-skill jobs employ the most percentage of the mass.


I like your attitude, but when you say you want to change something, you have to think about how to change it first.

In fact, as long as developing the robotics technology stays legal, people will continue to develop this technology. They have their legal rights to do so.

That means if you want to stop them, you might have to convince every country in the world to pass certain bill to make robotics technology illegal. Smile
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@tryp4vps: I think you got me wrong. Well the change I was talking about is indeed different from what you took it to be.

I'm in no way against developing robots and advancement in robotics. It's definitely legal and should be. In fact, I'm very much into Robotics, Arduino to be specific.

The change I was talking about is that in the people. The people need to change their attitude and dependence on robots. Developing robots is one thing - and depending solely on them for even the most fundamental petty jobs is another thing.

You see in today's world, every thing is being handled by robots, I'm worried at the pace with which human workforce is being replaced by robots. I mean you're depriving the people of their right to earn and live a respectable life. Definitely robots are better in some of the fields than humans, but NOT ALL. Why not keep them restricted to those? Why involve them in spheres human intervention is definitely required for production? Why not keep them to the fun of making them? You needn't hand over all your responsibilities to them, especially where they can never, forget proficiency, even get close to human skill.

I think I'd given enough examples of this earlier and don't think need to examplify further. That's all I've to say about this.
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(10-16-2019, 10:14 AM)sohamb03 Wrote:  .... Why not keep them restricted to those? Why involve them in spheres human intervention is definitely required for production? Why not keep them to the fun of making them?.....


Good points, and please don't get me wrong. I still like your attitude. Smile

However, the robotics technology is there, and you know people have their legal rights to use it. But you want them not to use it in certain fields.

The problem is that if a company follows your way, this company cannot survive. Because the company will be defeated by other competitors that uses the more advanced robotics technology.

So the same issue here: we cannot convince every country in the world to make using robotics technology in certain fields illegal.
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(10-07-2019, 04:18 PM)deanhills Wrote:  I'm worried about the growing population and the ability to educate, train and employ them.  The more robots that are around, the less jobs there are around.

This is an interesting point, I believe this is definitely the case. There are so many things like phone call robots, real automated robots in factories, and so much more possibility. It is scary to think that the jobs there are today are replaced tomorrow by these robots. While it does make it easier, possibly more efficient, and more cost-efficient... it's the human care that counts, at least for me anyway.
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it is shaper if it used to help human but it will destroy when what it do is the opposite of helping

Robot is replacing one job by job from human . The pros is it will make the work much faster and cheaper due to less labor/human but the cons it kills job and make more unemployed
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