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Best version for Windows 10 Enterprise
#11
(02-25-2020, 05:23 PM)rudra Wrote: ..... dean. get that iso from the link by HR or get it from anywhere you like. then check the hash. that is always the most important part.

they often hide Trojan in ISO s found in the wild. but you can't make the hash match if you modify it thus.


Hmm... one problem is that if you don't have the hash value of an original MSDN ISO, it is not that easy to verify the hash value of your downloaded ISO to see if they really match with each other.

For example, here are the hash values of my downloaded ISO files:

LTSB 2016 sha1: 21d25006b7f0c00d035a200b0fe4cb7da1c1e2ef

LTSC 2019 sha1: 615a77ecd40e82d5d69dc9da5c6a6e1265f88e28

I would just "believe" that they are indeed unmodified MSDN ISO files, but would still be glad if you or @'Hidden Refuge' can help re-confirm them. Smile


#12
yes. that seems to be right for the 64bit latest win 10 LTSC 2019 sha1.

en_windows_10_enterprise_ltsc_2019_x64_dvd_5795bb03.iso SHA256: B570DDFDC4672F4629A95316563DF923BD834AEC657DE5D4CA7C7EF9B58DF2B1
SHA1: 615A77ECD40E82D5D69DC9DA5C6A6E1265F88E28

build is 17763.316

from February 2019 release.

the latest as far i know.

but for anyone else reading this, there are other older version iso s with other checksums. so dont get scared. check those before hitting delete.
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#13
OK @rudra. Thank you for spending time checking on it, and also for providing additional information such as the SHA256 hash.

The hash values do match with that of my ISO file.

Sadly Microsoft itself does not have an official page that lists the hashes of all versions of Windows 10 ISO files.


#14
actually you can find some values from Microsoft or from people involved in on their forum. especially in their support discussions. I'm talking about social technet Microsoft com.

they should be reliable.
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#15
(02-19-2020, 05:40 PM)Hidden Refuge Wrote: There are four Windows 10 Enterprise versions that are available and can be considered as recent or the latest versions.

Windows 10 Enterprise (Build 1909)
  • Windows 10 Enterprise
  • Windows 10 Enterprise N
    • Basically you can't play an media like music, video or similar at all on this version.

Windows 10 Enterprise 2019 LTSC (Build 1809)
  • Windows 10 Enterprise 2019 LTSC
  • Windows 10 Enterprise 2019 LTSC N
    • Basically you can't play an media like music, video or similar at all on this version.

N versions are special versions that Microsoft is obliged to provide due to several laws in different countries. Basically they removed the whole media stack and other features out of this.

Read more: https://www.howtogeek.com/322112/what-is...f-windows/

Mind how it says "Quite a Few Things Will Break". I did install Windows 8.1 Pro N once by accident. I was spending hours on getting audio on the system to work when listening to videos, music or playing something in the browser (or even games). Had absolutely no luck. All time was wasted. I did more research and my only way to go was to reinstall normal Windows 8.1 Pro. After that everything was working normally again. Microsoft actually has a thing called media codec pack or something similar that is supposed to install all the codecs and etc to play media. Guess what... it wasn't supported by Windows N or the media pack itself didn't support Windows N versions.

LTSC (formerly called "LTSB") versions of Enterprise are Windows 10 versions that only receive security updates and have a very long period of support and extended support. These versions come without most Windows 10 apps and without the Windows 10 Store. However you can install all of this yourself with a few simple tricks afterwards. Media works on this versions unlike with N versions. LTSC versions cannot be upgraded from one to another. A fresh installation of the next LTSC version is required. This is basically meant for business environments where you require a very stable OS and one that won't get updated and completely reinstalled every few months or gets new feature updates that break stuff. See usage fields such as hospitals, manufacturing plants and etc.


About licensing. All Windows 10 Enterprise versions are all volume license products that are meant for companies (hence why they're called Enterprise). To activate them you need a KMS server in your company network where a Windows 10 KMS key is installed. Clients in the company domain will connect to that KMS server and get their license for a period of 180 days. After that runs out they will connect again and extend their license for another 180 days and on and on. I'm not sure if there is a OEM or Retail license version of Enterprise is available. I doubt though.

So if you have no connection to a company and a device from them there is no way to activate Windows 10 Enterprise I guess. There is a flaw inside Microsofts activation system though that allows to simulate a Windows 7 upgrade to Windows 10 and grants you a valid digital license bound to the hardware you use. I have observed that this worked with Windows 10 Enterprise, too. It's all probably against Microsoft terms and agreements of course. Antiviruses will pick it up as a virus while it is clean. Not going to provide any links or any additional information but the software is called "HWIDGEN".

You may wonder how I obtained licenses for Enterprise or Enterprise LTSC. Well, that's a perk of my job. I sometimes work from home and thus use a VPN connection to our company network. So I just joined my computer into our domain and use our KMS server to activate my Windows copy. And that's all legal of course since I work for the IT department and our boss has given us green light to do so as long as the device the license is used for is used to work for the company (which I do at least a few times during a month).


If you can however get a license for Windows 10 Enterprise consider getting one for the normal Enterprise. While LTSC might be nice with things like only receiving security updates and nothing else there are many disadvantages that follow quickly. Certain software or other type of applications might not support this version (games sometimes for example). These versions will lack new features and will never receive them until a brand new version of LTSC is released. Even Microsoft themselves are planning to drop support for certain software on LTSC versions. They clearly don't want people to go for LTSC because it is so good (no pesky apps, no damn feature upgrades that reinsall your Windows, no updates that break stuff, more control over the OS and etc). However due to the nature of their business clients (that's how Microsoft makes most of their profit) they still provide LTSC as there are companies that need all of the good things that LTSC brings and can easily forget the disadvantages that would hurt a normal user or a normal employee working in their office.

For example LTSB based on Windows 10 1607 which is what I used for some years... I had to stop using it in favor of actually being able to use certain applications or play some games I wanted to try. Drivers for graphics card stopped supporting LTSB with warning messages. Games wouldn't run because they were not supportin LTSB. So as a normal user your quickly feel left out of the sudden after using LTSC for a few years because everything that is mainstream moves on with the normal release flow.

A positive thing about Windows 10 Enterprise is that you can much longer delay upgrades to the next major build like the next version (2003 probably or so). That's basically a goody from Microsoft because it is never easy in a company to update hundreds or thousands of computers to a new version of Windows. Heck I have to maintain over 300 computers in my company (that is the administrative part of the company). And I also have to maintain another 400 - 800 computers in our education department. We are still using Windows 7 while we transition to Windows 10 Enterprise based on 1809. We have Windows 7 ESU Year 1 licenses for another year of Windows 7 updates and support.


About the tutorial you mentioned. Well, Windows or rather said Microsoft allows to perform Windows version upgrades. This switches your OS from lets say Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro. It at the same time unlocks features that are not available in the previous version. Now you can do this without actually owning a license key for the version you upgrade it to. Which of course means when you do it your Windows 10 installation will run without a license. Which at some point will start to bug you out with messages and etc. Also with Windows 10 running without a licenses means that a part of settings and customizations cannot be changed until a license is installed.

More information:
- https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...n-upgrades
- https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...-line-tool

Hint: You can use KMS Client Keys to perform such upgrades without owning an actual license.

--> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...clientkeys

I used this method once (while using our KMS server though) to upgrade a preinstalled Windows 10 Pro version to Windows 10 Education in our education department because I didn't want to reinstall Windows but needed Education to match it to our general guidelines of the education department IT.


... Well, here goes another wall of text.

Which version is suitable for gameing ?? And I'm sorry that there are gameplay settings in Windows 10 like Windows 7 ?? But I haven't found any answers on other sites and they said that in general this version of Windows does not have capabilities for gameing ...
#16
@hamed

The "suitable" Windows 10 version for gaming is Windows 10 Pro. The suitable Windows 10 Enterprise version for gaming is the normal Enterprise without LTSC. However Enterprise is not meant for gaming as its name says. Why is LTSC not suitable? Some games detect LTSC version and won't run (those are a few and therefore this issue is rare) and other games need certain Windows 10 versions to be able to run them and LTSC is only one version and won't get a major version upgrade every 6 months like normal Windows 10. So if a game needs Windows 10 Version 2004 but you have LTSC 2019 (Version 1809) you cannot play that game.

That than that there is no real negative impact of the LTSC version on gaming.
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#17
i am not sure if i will add much value after what HR said above. but whatever its worth, i will let the reader decide....

this is another perspective on using LTSB/LTSC ...

I could not be happier. i am not huge on gaming and as HR mentioned, there are few games that demand a certain version of Windows 10 or check for it. i have some acquaintances who adopted this version of Windows 10 from me and they are huge on gaming. latest popular games on high def in full hd. nothing more fancy or costly though. one of them even owns RTX 2070 super. but none of them complained so far.

but i guess that all depends on usage.

any other version of Windows 10 can also be tweaked with to stop those pesky updates and data stealing. so do whatever you like doing and you will learn loads and also find out what you like on your way.

i say always remain flexible to try and learn new things and change your taste. taste is not something you hardly change or liked yesterday. it is something you like right now. simple Tongue ( i think i messed something up back there..lol )

@'Hidden Refuge'

woow !! you maintain so many workstations .... Oh

i have a few questions. but i think i better not hijack this thread. I will post them in a new thread. please answer whatever you can on your own time. thank you. !!
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#18
I thought I'd add a really good YouTube presentation by a Geek on Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC.  A summary of what @Mashiro already said.  Including emphasizing to completely stay away from pirated copies of the software.  What is particularly interesting are all of the comments below, some of which provide tips and also good sources for setting it up. Must say however I'm beginning to lean towards fixing up a legitimate Windows Professional so that it turns into the equivalent of a Windows Enterprise. Apparently that can be possible through PowerShell

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#19
I watched video among others while I was looking for information. I was trying to decide which one to install. Windows 10 Enterprise or the LTSC version. No doubt LTSC version should be faster but I think it not always work well for average user. I saw some complain about having various devices not detecting and some few other things like that. After all, it's made for to be used as a Core OS for various business purposes like Teller Machines, Hospital equipment, front office terminals etc. I'm new to Windows 10 and I didn't want spend times trying to find solutions everything that don't work in LTSC. This is why I have gone with Windows Enterprise Edition.

I guess when he said pirated copies he meant those ISO bundles made and available. This is a risk you face anytime you download a software from no so legit places. But you can download the ISO your self and set things up by your own. License process is pretty much like in Windows Servers. You can re arm the use it for 3 times or so. But there are ways to get around it.


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#20
(11-17-2020, 12:49 PM)xdude Wrote: I guess when he said pirated copies he meant those ISO bundles made and available. This is a risk you face anytime you download a software from no so legit places. But you can download the ISO your self and set things up by your own. License process is pretty much like in Windows Servers. You can re arm the use it for 3 times or so. But there are ways to get around it.
Exactly, that is how I understood the pirated copies to be too.

For now I'm looking away from Windows Enterprise as it's too complicated to install.  I'm not interested in chasing after a KMS key that Microsoft hasn't intended for me to have.  I don't like the idea of 180 days either.  What I'm leaning towards now is to get a legitimate Windows 10 through the free upgrade and to see whether through powershell I can learn how to get rid of all of the bloatware that is wearing my laptop down.  So that's probably what my next project will be with my Thinkpad X201.  To upgrade to Windows 10 Professional again, and then to see whether I can create a Windows "light" that my old laptop can work with. Focus will also be to find a way to get an Update "light" system through power shell tweaks.  Here's a list of the things that some of the Geeks out there typically aim at getting rid off:

https://github.com/W4RH4WK/Debloat-Windows-10

I don't intend to do it as lethally, and plan to do it piece by piece starting with the ones that are right in my face when I start Windows 10 Prof for the first time.
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