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What do you think of VestaCP ?
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(05-22-2020, 03:38 PM)humanpuff69 Wrote:  ..... basically the creator of this panel want to make people life hard not easier like what cpanel does.....


I would not say in this way. I would say the creator of VestaCP focuses mainly on their paid version, not the free version.

Because I heard from some friends telling that VestaCP team is quite helpful in resolving customer queries as they have bought the paid version.

VestaCP can still be an option for some people who do not like to play with command line. Smile


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(Yesterday, 09:54 AM)tryp4vps Wrote:  I would not say in this way. I would say the creator of VestaCP focuses mainly on their paid version, not the free version.

Because I heard from some friends telling that VestaCP team is quite helpful in resolving customer queries as they have bought the paid version.

VestaCP can still be an option for some people who do not like to play with command line. Smile

that is one of my complaint . their panel is pay to win . the file manager and the chroot thing is paid and they said like it a small feature in reality it is a huge feature for some people

and the user experience is really confusing . i used to install it just to try because i dont know why people like vesta cp and defending this stupid piece of program and when i use it it is extremely confusing . what i found is that it is still easier to use terminal . so that just debunk the command line theory because who want a panel that is harder to use than a command line or terminal . no panel did the job right except cpanel . that is why cpanel have monopoly on panel market BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT USER EXPERIENCE . THEIR PANEL IS EASY TO USE . THEY CARE ABOUT THEY USER . THEY DONT MAKE PANEL THAT IS CRYPTIC ONLY THE CREATOR THAT CAN USE IT . you want example of good free panel . well it is not a website panel but it is a game panel call pterodactyl . it is a little bit weird in the admin side (still easy to learn) but it is AS EASY AS WHAT GAME PANEL SHOULD BE . they also not pay to win like VESTA CP that everyone like but i extremely hate . and because pterodactyl is easier than terminal and also allow for other people to connect that have no linux experience to control the server . THAT IS WHAT PANEL SHOULD BE . MAKING THING EASIER FOR PEOPLE. NOT MAKING IT HARDER BY USING PANEL THAT DESIGNED TO F*CK YOU UP
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(Yesterday, 10:12 AM)humanpuff69 Wrote:  that is one of my complaint . their panel is pay to win . the file manager and the chroot thing is paid and they said like it a small feature in reality it is a huge feature for some people

and the user experience is really confusing . i used to install it just to try because i dont know why people like vesta cp and defending this stupid piece of program and when i use it it is extremely confusing . what i found is that it is still easier to use terminal . so that just debunk the command line theory because who want a panel that is harder to use than a command line or terminal . no panel did the job right except cpanel . that is why cpanel have monopoly on panel market BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT USER EXPERIENCE . THEIR PANEL IS EASY TO USE . THEY CARE ABOUT THEY USER . THEY DONT MAKE PANEL THAT IS CRYPTIC ONLY THE CREATOR THAT CAN USE IT . you want example of good free panel . well it is not a website panel but it is a game panel call pterodactyl . it is a little bit weird in the admin side (still easy to learn) but it is AS EASY AS WHAT GAME PANEL SHOULD BE . they also not pay to win like VESTA CP that everyone like but i extremely hate . and because pterodactyl is easier than terminal and also allow for other people to connect that have no linux experience to control the server . THAT IS WHAT PANEL SHOULD BE . MAKING THING EASIER FOR PEOPLE. NOT MAKING IT HARDER BY USING PANEL THAT DESIGNED TO F*CK YOU UP

That's a bit unfair to VestaCP @humanpuff69.  I can understand why you don't need to use VestaCP, but you are judging the panel too harshly.  In the beginning the fact that the support for VestaCP was paid, made a difference, but it no longer makes a difference for the free Panel, as VestaCP has developed a discussion Forum over the years collecting info that basically covers all of the inquiries that one needs to ask. There is plenty of documentation on the VestaCP site to refer to. The discussion Forum is also actively supported by qualified Admin.  

One can never compare VestaCP with cPanel for example, as it has its pros and cons, but for me there are many more pros than cons in the free version of VestaCP:

1. Installation menu to tailormake the bash script for the VPS
2. An actively supported discussion Forum
3. Plenty of documentation on VestaCP Website to refer to
4. An attractive interface, easy to use.  Excellent DNS Server. I'm able to install Websites within minutes of installing VestaCP.
5. For those who are into Softaculous it has a free version of Softaculous that is easy to upgrade to paid for a small registration fee.

On the con side I'm worried always about security.  So I make sure not to include an e-mail and FTP server in my bash script.  But it is a risk.  A calculated risk.  So far however (don't want to talk too loudly), in all the years I've been using it since 2014 my panel hasn't been hacked yet.  Or so I hope.

Another con is it doesn't have a File Manager, but I actually prefer that because of safety and security issue.  I've learned to do without it easy.
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(05-22-2020, 03:38 PM)humanpuff69 Wrote:  i never used cyberpanel or even heard of it before . i dont use panel espescially that isnt cpanel and in case cpanel isnt available i use terminal instead without any panel . the only panel that is user friendly is cpanel . that is why they can charge so much because they are monopoly in panel that actually work and easy to use

vesta cp and other sh*tty panel doesnt care about the user . they only care about themself with extremly cryptic user experience . and speaking about the experience . using temrinal to manage the website is MORE USER FRIENDLY BETTER USER EXPERIENCE than any of the panel like vesta cp . i also use ispconfig and it is really weird like vesta cp . basically the creator of this panel want to make people life hard not easier like what cpanel does

for my website i use terminal . with lemp configuration linux nginx mariadb php no panel required

@humanpuff69

Actually what you have told are wrong in so many levels.

You say you use terminal for your " Website ". Yeah probably ok for a single or couple of websites or for a pet project. But if you are using dozens of websites and need to do various tasks daily then terminal is not practical at all. That is why people pay insane amount for commercial panels like cPanel. Here we just run a script than type whole thing in command prompt. It saves time and have less margin for error when you are dealing with multiple sites. I thought same like you in those days I just ran my pet project but once you start doing things professional level you just understand the difference.

Also I noticed you talk about lack of user friendliness in panels except for cPanel. Now this is something relative. Whole point of having a panel is user friendliness. You don't need to know linux to use a panel. You have GUI interface which take care of those commands in background. The reason cPanel looks so user friendly for most of us is because more than 95% people starts using web hosting with cPanel and shared hosting. We use it long time before try any other panel so we always feels like cPanel is easy to use.

Panel developers do care about their product. At least those most popular panels. That's why each of these free hosting panels have their own 1000's of faithful user bases. You can't compare these with cpanel which is a massive commercial project. SO yeah there are short comings in each of these panels but for an average user the functionality these offer are more than enough. I have used vertualmin for years because its very secure and let you micro manage many things which other free panels don't let you. This panel considered hard to use and not so user friendly. That's because they have named common web hosting functions in different names than cPanel. So it take sometime to get used to. I didn't mind that since I found it's a solid panel once you get it installed and configured.

About security, That's on the user. Like @deanhills I have yet to had a server which I built compromised. Once you choose a panel first thing to do it find out all of it's pros and cons. Then you need to create set of standards for server creation and configuring. Also set of basic server hardening rules. You need to figure which default services/modules should be removed and which to keep. Also if there any extras to be installed. After that you stick with setup. You don't try to fix issues which hasn't happened or do experiments. All you need to do is keep everything upto date.
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